nightcrawler wrote:Hey Paul,
What is happening, are you serious? You cant attack like that without knowing one's intention. I have never accused you/yourself personally!
I believe your intentions were quite clear nightcrawler. Swim Types is my baby, so yes in fact you did offend me.
Firstly, our very first post in May 2009 on this very forum:

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"Be Nice to Each Other" - you have not been nice.
nightcrawler wrote:On the other hand, you have known that English is not my mother tongue. You could have considered it as a "shoutbox item", why havent you, how can you be so poor?
We do not tolerate swearing on this forum nightcrawler, in any language. People on other forums have been banned for less. You must have a) realised that what you had wrote was offensive / improper and b) that it was totally inappropriate in this context. Why? Because you edited it yourself.
I can see that you're getting angrier and angrier nightcrawler, and I'm sorry about that, every time I look up you've re-edited this post. I don't really know if what I'm responding to is your latest edit or not? Perhaps this will continue all evening?
nightcrawler wrote:If you have a thesis then should learn to deal with the ideas not with the poeple. The subject matter is the following, not me as Emrah:
Are swim types the absolute truth??? Of course not they are SS's fictive (marketing) idea, not even a theory. If Swim Smooth claims something, then should be ready/open for criticism.
I see you like to throw the use of the word "ego" upon me? Upon count of your first response I believe you used the word 8 times. In this edit we're down to 3. I'm not sure if we're going up or down from here, but I'll settle on three in this quotation.
So, do I have a big ego? Perhaps. It takes a special kind of ego Emrah to a) recognise trends in the way people swim, b) connect this with what they need to then do to improve rather than the "one size fits all" approach that pervaded until Swim Types was released in 2010, c) develop and refine this theory over thousands and thousands of consultations with real swimmers (see
https://vimeo.com/106812865), d) propose it as a foundational system for our entire program to our coaches, stakeholders and over 120,000 followers worldwide via
http://www.feelforthewater.com and then most difficult of all e) subject it to peer review, criticism and feedback from the national and international governing bodies for whom we've re-written their entire swim coaching curriculum, now going out in 119 countries worldwide. Do they see it as "fictive" or "marketing bullshit", I don't know, all I do know is that it's helping in this context:

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...and that is what good coaching is all about - generating ideas for experimentation. Thousands of swimmer and coaches worldwide are becoming better swimmers and coaches because of this proposition. My ego is healthy in that knowledge that I have helped in this way.
Am I open to
your criticism nightcrawler? Is that what you want to know? I would have happily expanded on these ideas and methodologies given an appropriate line of questioning. Yours was not. Sorry.
The simple fact remains that we have dedicated our entire coaching lives to producing the plethora of free content that resides on
http://www.swimsmooth.com the actual
http://www.swimtypes.com website and of course 408 posts on our blog
http://www.feelforthewater.com which expands on all of our concepts and ideas to help illustrate our meanings and purpose.
nightcrawler wrote:If it was the absolute truth, then why noone didnt know about swim types since swim smooth etablished? One step further, has it been approved by any swimming authority(association), not of course! Actually, havent been seen such a thing in my 33+ years of swimming, has anyone before SS? no, never!
...there is no absolute truth Emrah, only suggestion, ready for experimentation and the generation of ideas. Our cohort of clientele far exceeds ANY scientific experimentation along these lines. Can we ever prove it? Do we NEED to prove it? You seem to think so, I know not.
Why did no one know about the iPad before Apple and Steve Jobs created it? Who knew we would grow to need it so much? And the iPod - wow, a thousand songs in your pocket and all that. Why did Einstein's theory of relativity not exist before he suggested it (actually it did, he simply built upon theoretical results and empirical work by Albert A. Michelson, Hendrik Lorentz, Henri Poincaré and others), why did no one invent the cyclonic vacuum cleaner before Dyson (in fact they did, he was just the first to patent it and pragmatically develop the framework and infrastructure to develop and release it)? Just because something has not always existed does it mean that it never will? Hardly.
For the sake of being perceived as stoking my "ego" as you would believe, let's consider this:

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Had I sat on my backside, twiddled my thumbs and spent 3 hours on internet forums a day (actually I did and then some in the early days) and then worried about what you might have thought and said, none of what you see before you, what you are writing upon now, what has helped to form and shape your ideas and understanding would have ever existed...
...and then "that" old chestnut:

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...you see Emrah, you can pass off Swim Types or whatever else you like as clever marketing ploy, but the reality is that it HAS been approved by both the British and the International Triathlon Union as their modus operandi by nature of the fact that every coach that goes through their system learns the system and begins to understand how to better improve their own coaching. Does discussion and debate take place? Absolutely, but that's respectful discussion and yours I'm afraid is not.
So just because you might have been living your own life of cognitive dissonance for the past 33 years, does not suggest that something cannot come along to change that status quo and get quality coaches talking about how better to improve their coaching.
nightcrawler wrote:I have never provoked anyone in this forum, instead I met here with lovely people such as cottmiler, solarenergy, smootharnie, sciame, advido, etc... had very nice friendship here. On the other hand, I have been already praising your useful stuff wherever I go and to whom I met also to my masters squad. You could better took a look at my posts in which I was commending you as "Paul" youself.
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...well I'm sorry Emrah but you've provoked the beast itself, me, and entirely inappropriately too.
nightcrawler wrote:Our words turn to our behaviours. Aren't you behaving in the manner of "COGNITIVE DISSONANCE" that you wrote Paul? Hoisted with your own petard. You are obviously performing an action that is contradictory to SS's ideas, or values by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs,ideas.
Good work! You've got me on this one, except for the fact that you're wrong on this specific point. The world view on freestyle swimming has ALWAYS been that we should all reach towards this idea of the same "perfect" stroke. Just last week we wrote this
http://www.feelforthewater.com/2016/11/what-does-swim-smooth-stroke-look-like.html indicating that no such thing exists. Swim Types is our answer to individualising the sport of swimming based on someone's background, gender, height, build, previous swimming experience. My actions are not contradictory to SS's ideas and values as these are the ideas and values that I've personally cultivated over the years. Is that cognitive dissonance in action? Perhaps, but then we're going to be chasing our tails on this one for a while I'm afraid!
nightcrawler wrote:A coach(IMO you as a leader) should better explain the pros and cons of something instead of umbraging.
408 posts over 7 years on one of the world's most prominent coaching blogs would suggest that we do indeed explain the pros and cons of everything that we preach and / or has been taken as gospel over the years. Still not enough explanation for you? Well I guess then you would have had to have sit through the critique and peer review in our coaching courses around the world over the last 12 years.
nightcrawler wrote:Until now I had never considered/and expected that you would have such a super big ego and primitive behaviour.
Yeah well, sorry to disappoint there. Ironically my grandmother (god rest her soul) always used to tell me that people would resort to primitive use of swear words when they had nothing better to say. Seems she was right for your original posting.
nightcrawler wrote:Finally you wrote:
"I'm off now to go and do something truly productive for the world of swimming - our next project. I suggest you do something productive yourself."
First you should have paid attention on your followers's posts and contributions, but you didnt, guess why? Your big ego is the only thing that you are feeding. I have been spending 3 hours on your swimsmoothforum.com site for knowledge sharing and interaction, you could have checked it and written something useful and be productive.
You know what, ironically enough I did, and my first response was "has this guy's account been hacked over night as this really seems like a hardcore troll we're dealing with?" I set my IT team onto the task of checking that and it returned a negative. So yes, I did my research but sadly I was massively disappointed in what that returned.
nightcrawler wrote:You had always been an idol in my eyes, were everywhere in my swimming life... Now you have fallen from grace with me! I also know it wont be important for you, as you wrote "it will never be", obviously seeing that nothing has never been important than your ego. Even olympic champions have modesty, in peace with themselves, first go and have it, will be useful for your health.
From now on you "as Paul Newsome" are in my black book.
Good luck,
Emrah
I'm sorry I wasn't for you.
2013 Manhattan Island Marathon Swim Champion. Don't forget to check out our valuable Know How section on the main site at http://www.swimsmooth.com/knowhow.html