Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Tom65 » Sun May 08, 2016 12:28 am

Decided to swim faster than usual for 30 minutes and see how many laps I completed.

1250 metres for just over 30 minutes, now to get that to 1500.

Still not comfortable enough in the water to swim whilst puffed, I think that would be the biggest thing holding back Adult learners and one of the reasons I've taken this long to achieve so little. Bloody Happy with where I'm at nonetheless.

Started Gymnastics two weeks ago, dragging myself through the water with arms suddenly seems a lot easier after that.
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Tom65 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:55 am

Still swimming three times a week most weeks, miss the occasional Wednesday.

Felt like a novice last Saturday, couldn't tell if I was breathing out enough air and such things.
Went a bit harder on Sunday, swam a mile in complete comfort.

Four weeks of gymnastics and had something go bang in my shoulder whilst working under a car, pain limited the range of motion, good enough to swim inside a week but missed four weeks of gymnastics, should be right by next week.
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Tom65 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:22 am

Haven't been back to gymnastics yet, not a good fit with my life time wise.

So decided to take the more flexible option of an extra weekly trip to the pool on Monday evenings for now.

2 kms yesterday, gotta a QLD weekend coming up soon so I'll be able to hit the beach with some confidence for the first time ever. 8-)


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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Mike A » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:22 am

Tom65 wrote:P.S....anybody know where I can get a cheap kitchen...... ;)

I've seen an advert for that somewhere. Now, where was it? If only I could remember...
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Postby Adivio » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:55 am

I wonder if they deliver to Finland. I wouldn't want to miss on such good deals :).
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Tom65 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:18 am

Real continuous swimming achieved this weekend, 1600metres Saturday, 1000m Today.

Up until now I'd been standing and then pushing off each lap, decided it was time to do flat turns without sneaking a breath.

That meant some turns were done after exhaling and then had to hold, slowed my lengths a little to help cope with the deficit, overall though the swims were quicker than they used to be. How quick I'm not sure, clocks not working at the pool.

Can finally go to the pool and keep my head down and go for it for 30 to 45 minutes, 30 odd more years of it to look forward to with any luck.
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Shenaram » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:23 am

Sincerest congratulations!

Go! Go!

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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Tom65 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:07 am

Finally made it to the ocean on Saturday, in the early stages of flu onset.

Water temp was about 20c and the waves were coming fairly close together so just went out and dived under the waves, got carried off a sand bank with one swell just swam across back to where I was, so no real swimming but had some fun.

Being in the cool water for 20 minutes with little body fat left my toes white and sore, took a hot shower to get some blood flow back to them.

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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Tom65 » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:12 am

Not getting to the pool as often as I would like.

Made it there yesterday 2 km's, various strokes, freestyle didn't feel great, had to focus on getting all my breath out to feel half right.

Went again this morning 1.2 k's, easy as, felt great, stopped only because I've got a lot to get through today.
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Tom65 » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:14 am

Ducky wrote:
Tom65 wrote:Not getting to the pool as often as I would like.

Made it there yesterday 2 km's, various strokes, freestyle didn't feel great, had to focus on getting all my breath out to feel half right.

Went again this morning 1.2 k's, easy as, felt great, stopped only because I've got a lot to get through today.


can you swim backstroke? this is a great way to ease into a swim if things are not feeling great i swim almost all my cool down recovery sets with backstroke. not only do you use some differernt muscles than free, but you can drink as much delicious oxygen as you like totally unrestricted! contrary to some swim theories oxygen exchange does matter not everyone has elite vo2 max and lactate thresholds.


Do 10 laps of backstroke and 10 of double arm backstroke most trips to the pool.

Think there's still a tad of anxiety creeps in in prone position on the odd occasion, something to do with 46 years as a non swimmer I guess, normally just slow it down and take long lazy breaths in when it happens.
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Mike A » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:26 pm

Relaxed backstroke is always part of my cooldown. Stretches a lot of the muscles that freestyle flexes. The only time I don't is in an open-air pool with no lanes - can't swim in a straight line, so very dangerous! :D
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby s.sciame » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:02 pm

Mike A wrote:Relaxed backstroke is always part of my cooldown. Stretches a lot of the muscles that freestyle flexes.


Same here. A side effect of swimming backstroke only for relax/cooldown purpose is that I developed a super slow stroke rate at backstroke, which now I'm trying to overcome. Is it a common issue?

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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Mike A » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:44 pm

Same here - haven't attempted to sprint backstroke since school days! The one aspect of it that isn't ideal for me for cool downs is the kick - being a poor kicker, I make a lot of effort for very little gain.
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Tom65 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:31 am

1500 metres 33 minutes, nearly at my revised goal of 30 minute 1500's.

I'm sure I could crack 30 by pushing a little harder but busting my nuts isn't the intention.
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Sprinter » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:32 pm

Backstroke is good for kicking hard. Strengthen your kick by including a few lengths of backstroke with hard kicking.

In general, backstroke is often recommended as a means for improving your stamina, since swimming backstroke *fast* (that's the real game here) is very hard, is sufficiently close to front crawl, and you don't have the breathing issues.

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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Tom65 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:08 pm

Backstrokes also good for Trumping inattentive swimming instructors. :o
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby nightcrawler » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:34 pm

Hi Tom65,
After 30+ years in this sport, I can summarize that swimming consists of 3 components:
1) Technique
2) Endurance
3) Speed
I recommend you to follow the below macrocycle procedure to develop technique, endurance and speed in the sessions:

0-3 months:
- %80 drills: kick on side drill, 6-1-6 drill, 6,3,6 drill, doggy paddle drill, finger tip drag drill
- %20 sets like 10x50m or 20x25m with 10-15 secs recovery (or 5-10 bubbles) between the repetitions.

3-6 months:
- %60 drills: classical one arm drill(one arm extended), unco drill(one arm drill but one arm by the side), fist drill
- %40 sets like 20x50m or 30x25m with 10-15 secs recovery (or 5-10 bubbles) between the repetitions.

6-12 months:
- %20 drills: classical one arm drill(one arm extended), unco drill(one arm drill but one arm by the side), fist drill, doggy paddle drill, water polo drill, bands drill
- %80 sets like 16x100m or 24x50m or 40x25m with 10-15 secs recovery (or 5-10 bubbles) between the repetitions.

Roughly you may get this template and detail it...
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby Tom65 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:10 am

Three lessons in with new instructor, good to have different input, improved my breaststroke kick and got me back to working on flip turns.

At the end of the lesson he says "freestyle back, I'll time you, try for 30 seconds" i said bit faster, he says 25, I said 20 to 22 shouldn't be a problem.

Took off on his count, took first armstroke deep in the water and returned arm whilst it was still submerged, felt my feet about 6" above the water line mid pool, water pressure in front of me made it feel like I couldn't move forward, hit the end, didn't feel like I came up to the wall fast.......He claims 17 seconds. 8-)
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Re: Swimming lessons, what to focus on ?

Postby nightcrawler » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:33 pm

Here is a nice bucket of drills, in order to swim well, must do each drill at least 1000x50m.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkDe7w3NhTw
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