Perhaps the fact they had to change the start from a dive-start to an in-water start didn't bode well - apparently the pontoon was washed away a few days before the event.
The boomerang-based turn buoys seemed to increase the scrapping (and penalties) at each turn, and the referees seemed rather over-zealous throughout. Perhaps they had a better view of things than the TV cameras, but how anyone can really see what's going on is beyond me! Perhaps they should have drone cameras in future, as the only angle that would really show for sure who was whacking/dragging whom would be a direct overhead view.
Suffice to say Jack Burnell was not impressed with his disqualification, alleging that we was pulled back for four or five strokes, then penalized for attempting to free himself (Mellouli is the suggested culprit). I can't see enough from the BBC's coverage to decide how plausible this is. The report on the FINA website does no more than briefly mention his disqualification. I wonder how well the yellow flags are logged, and if there's a post-mortem where they get checked against video evidence? I also wonder if there was an appeal against the decision? There seems to be conflicting reports about this.
But what an exciting rush for the line! It appeared that the Greek Gianniotis crossed the line at exactly the same time as Ferry Weertman, but the tall Dutchman managed to slap the board first, hence was awarded the gold.
And you've got to feel for Jarrod Poort, the Australian who led for so long, only to be hunted down around 1:38, and eventually finishing 21st. He seemed to veer well wide of the pack just before this - I wonder if that was tactical, or if all those boats made sighting difficult?
If you follow Paul Newsome on Twitter, he put out a video of his thoughts "Our Swimming Review" on the Olympics swimming, about 4 hours ago.
It's 49 mins long and I have another 15 to go and so far has been educational.
Imagine running through a thick medium like syrup. Every time you glide with both feet off the ground, you will slow down. The only way to run fast would be to keep one foot pushing on the solid ground at all times.
For those of us lacking an outboard motor in the feet department, we have to stroke fast, very fast.
The winners pool stroke, which is about the way he swims in open water as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9U4GcasxUI (the guy in orange bathers)
Taking big strong steps through the water.
The swimmers over here are not tought the swingers stroke, certainly not the male ones who all have a long loping stroke.
Its more about the long pool stroke to get the highest pool speed. When they switch to open water after a lifetime in the pool (Rouwendaal and Weertman are pool swimmers switched to open water a few years ago and where fast right away.) they take their pool stroke to the open water.
Usually there is a big difference between the boys and the girls in stroke style.
The girls have a more swim smooth symmetric swinger stroke.
The boys usually have a longer stroke.
Triathletes with wetsuits have the female buoyancy and lack the male swimmers upper body strength.
The swinger style suits them best.
Here the examples.
They keep their style even with a pull buoy, so also without a big motorboat kick, but its getting pretty smooth delivering more constant propulsion at higher strokerates. They are not noving back and fort at every stroke in the endless pool like Dan Bullock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feUhyCklHL0 (with his typical TI like catch and pull mechanism), even without help from the legkick.
Thats the ultimate measure of good propulsion. Stroke long or short as you wish, but keep your speed constant.
Amy de Langen
a high level windmilling technique with nice gripping paddles and a little bounce. If you dont have time to set your arm vertical at every entry you are going to press some water down, which gives this little bounce on every stroke.
Having a main 2BK a the same time amplifies this.
Kyle Stolk does have a long strong style that goes into a small lope under pressure, but his speed stays pretty stable with only small dips.
Symmetric fast catch is a typical girly stroke style.
Males go long and strong.
All our swimmers are trained by racing against a human power submarine
His success couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, I actually got to meet him four years ago when he (already a world champion) came to award the trophies in a local amateur swim race!!!
Wouda was very pleased that they did that training. Probably that made the difference between silver and gold.
In the end Gianottis high strokerate and Weertmans slow turnover are evenly matched.
This time the smooth has won.
Gold/silver in this race are a dead heat imo. going by head position (not touch)
Going off the front is completely stupid, other than to put your name in lights for a while. Not only for the most part in cycling, but certainly swimming due to the density of the medium. At least cycling you have a chance. The energy expenditure required to open a gap in swim is HUGE!
So is he a freak of nature and is this stroke effective only for him? Well, he's a tall guy (1.88m) but not a giant, he's not Sun Yang or Grant Hackett. Mellouli as well swims with a relatively long and slow stroke (around 65SPM) in the 10k. What of the famous punchy shorter fast stroke to deal with the swells and get continuous propulsion? It seems that even a catchup slow stroke can do its job.
It's also quite typical in these 10k races to see the swimmers hold back studying each other and waiting for someone to make the first move: swingers shouldn't wait too long to launch an attack because in the last 50m they usually can't sprint as well as smooths (and overgliding smooths) can do.
First off, 95% of swimmers I see could use some s-t-r-e-t-c-h in their stroking. I mean that is what it's all about - range of motion and being tall in the water.
Secondly, you can't label the guy an overglider if you don't know what his second, propulsion hand is doing. Swimmers with long arms and an extended range will spend more time in the water than one with shortie arms. Therefore it makes sense that the front hand, recovering quickly is "gliding". duh!
It's also more efficient to have a hand in front to open the hole in water for the rest of the body to move through. This is the reason height is such an advantage.
If you are tall and more buoyant than another person, you'll be straight up quicker in the water.
SharkFM wrote:I wish the term "overglider" never came into existence.
I think the point is to restrict the use of this term to non-fast swimmers. It makes not much sense to use such a term to even good swimmers, and just forget about it when discussing world-class swimmers. "Overgliding" is just a phrase to capture a bunch of related problems for "non-fast" swimmers.
SwimSmooth says "Typical swimming speed is 1:30 to 2:20 per 100m." at http://www.swimtypes.com/overglider.html .
If a swimmer is faster, then by definition it is not "overgliding".
The misuse of a term like "overglider" is a typical overstretching (in the abstract sense ), from the domain of beginners / intermediate swimmers, where certain problems are rather easy to spot, to the domain of fast swimmers, where nobody actually knows what's "best". It is also a return of "swimming as beauty contest", only in the other way this time: now not the long stroke is best, but the short one is best.
I think the much too fast classification "overglider" is also a typical mistake of swimmers without experience: if you have a lot of experience, personally as well as via film/video, then you realise that much is possible out there. While, especially if you have just learned about your own mistakes, you are very quick at saying "that's not how it should be". I remember this from myself: 10 years ago I "knew much more about swimming" than now, in the sense, that I was rather quick to point out all kinds of "mistakes". Now I don't know anymore
The winners are coming from a pool background and are pure swimmers.
Just a tad too slow to get big medals in the international pool scene , but way higher achievable top speed (and good endurance speed) than the triathlete swimmer.
The Gianottis style swimmers are incredibly close, but if history is indicating anything:
2008... Maarten van der Weyden, Smooth pool swimmer
2012...Oussama Meloulli ........... Smooth pool swimmer
2016.. Ferry Weertman.............Smooth pool swimmer
All 3 where in quiet, pool like waters, Rio was the most real open water race.
The swinger strategy is brave, but stupid (David Davies, Jarrod Poort.
The smooths strategy is sneaky, but effective.
My guess is the best triathlon swimmers would be well back of the Oly OW frenetic pace, if I am not mistaken.
But hey not all nearly-great pool swimmers can tackle OW and those punishing distances. Some pool swimmers I talked to are afraid to swim in the ocean or lakes.
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