I have just returned to swimming after a 10-14 year break. I originally used to swim with my head out of the water which is what was common in the islands. Them when I came to Wellington I saw people were swimming differently and they looked more efficient so I got an instructor and she taught me the S pull technique etc. I managed to swim 80-100 lengths in those days quite comfortably. On my return after a long gap, however I found I can only do 100 metres and I am out of breath. Being a keen cyclist I thought some fitness may be transferred however as different muscles are used I guess its a totally different ball game. I also recently purchased the box set and it is a gem and I have to admit I love the way Bill Kirby swims and have been trying to emulate that Bill kirby visualisation. So, my next question is is this the right thing to do? I am a 1.72 cm male and my ape index is zero so I figure I must be a bambino. I recently went to Hilton Brown swim school for an assessment and they reckoned one of the things obvious was that my supporting hand was dropping while I am trying to breathe and I was flat but since have incorporated my rotation well. What is the best thing for me to do for fitness and tecnique? Join a squad class...the only thing is they require someone to be able to swim 1500m in 30 mins to join a squad. I cannot do that. I can do may be 1800m in 60mins, so am quite slow. Basically, I wonder as I dont have any footage of me and am not a triathlete but I am really keen to improve my technique,be efficient and swim well as cross training. Should I just continue doing the dvd boxset etc to improve or can I incorporate say fins, buoy? Should I buy a bambino correcting technique? Just want to make sure I dont pick up any more bad habits and continue to improve my swimming.
local clubs. Hope there's one near to you that you can join.
Do you feel at all anxious in the water? From how you describe yourself you don't sound it, especially as you swam a lot when you were younger.
Are you sure you're not more of an Arnie? If your legs are sinking low in the water then this adds a huge amount of drag and will slow you down massively no matter how fit you are.
Saying that fitness doesn't carry over very well between bike/run and swimming as a lot of the aerobic system is in the cells in the muscles you're using and you need to develop this in the swimming groups. I'm sure with some regular training this will come back pretty quick though.
Not really sure what I am to be honest. However, I have found my legs to sink even from way back (Thats why I love the pull buoy) as I am not so buoyant or should I say am still experimenting to find the best streamlined position for me. And, as a slightly built male i.e 1.72cm at 64-65 kg I am reluctant to say I am Arnie as my visual of Arnie is well more like Arnie (Terminator) and I am no Body builder per say. The reason why I gravitate towards Bambino is my left arm dropping while I am breathing and the fact my legs sink a lot unless I kick a 6 beat, plus my medium built size....aaahh- just thought of it when I did the test it came out as a Bambino mostly with a slightly Arnie mix. So you are sort of correct really, Adam. However, I have just downloaded my bambino guide which I will play with in my next swim. Plus incorporate some of the tips the good folks have imparted very kindly.
I forgot to say no I am not anxious in the water at all. However, If I am tired or have tried to push myself while I am still building my stamina and am halfway through the lane I find I can get a little tense as the first thing to go is my form and my hastiness to get to the other side of the pull so I can stop and breathe. Really all I need to do is go on my back and gently kick...so that is an odd thing which I only thought of it as you asked me the question whether I was anxious...interesting insight though for me.
Thanks I will report my progress. I was curious and did the questionnaire again and maybe I had forgotten to press get results as this time I really thought about each question and this time I get 50% Arnie & 50% Bambino. So I am bemused but I am sure the bambino guide (which I have ) will still help me as well as the Arnie guide which I may get at some stage.
Sorry to read thar you ain't getting anywhere with your effort to float - I looked back at your earlier topic "Floating" (of early May). Maybe you are one of those rare "sinker" chaps that "solarenergy" mentioned from his experience in instructing. The only answer to that, is to always keep the legs busy, even if it's only a subdued flutter kick! But, have you really tried that fully stretched out position (front or back), with the hands raised above the water surface? It should take a couple of seconds for the legs to come up slowly. The reason for doing that is quite simple, in the water, gravity is drawing your body downwards, counteracted by water pressure pushing in on all sides, including the direction opposed to the downward gravitational effect (And of course there must be some upward effect due to buoyancy because of air in the lungs). Now if you can raise just your hands above the surface, the only force acting on the hands is the downward gravitational one - this means that the hands act as a considerable counterweight, so your body should seesaw about your centre of buoyancy. You must have some buoyance (we hope) unless you sink like a brick to the bottom!!!
On the matter of fins! - many of us are prohibited from using them in Public pool sessions, and although they give you a smashing sense of movement, you can do a very effective "on your side" flutter kicking drill without them! If you have low buoyancy it may be necessary to turn the neck and look up at the ceiling to breathe, and possibly keep in that position till your mouth is clear of the water. Personally, it was only a short time ago that I plucked up the courage to do such a drill with both arms down at the sides - it was a weird sensation at first, but am quite used to it now (I even tried doing a surface body dolphin action with my arms at the sides and tum down - but that felt very clumsy indeed. I must try it on my side to see if thats better!) Good luck with your efforts! Bye / Don
P.S. There is a sprint version of the stroke in which the second armstroke only travels down until it is just under the chest, then both arms are recovered - the first one from the hips, and the second from under the chest! Worth trying!!!
It has been a while since I posted a reply. But I have incorporated ideas plus practising the drills and so on. I am pleased to reply I can now comfortably do 20-30 laps in the 25m pool so I am really pleased. Now for learning tumble tuns as well, me thinks. Thanks for all your help Don and others. PS That navy seals drill sounds kinda exciting too...something different and like you said variety is the spice of life.
... about 48 or 50 secs into the clip, as his left arm enters the water you can see him really stretching out AND rolling (certainly the upper torso) so that his left shoulder is down and right shoulder up. He keeps his head looking directly ahead, except for inhalation purposes, and momentarily his arm is in line with his head. I was delighted to see this tie in with what I mentioned as part of the "corkscrew action" of carrying on the momentum of the recovering arm into the body roll at arm entry. There doesn't seem to be any dead spot in his arm action as far as I can see. Am not sure about the rest of his arm stroke, it looks like there is a bit of the upper arm moving radially in to the side (Maglischo's "insweep"), before a standard upsweep when the body rolls away from the upcoming arm, so as to enable the arm to follow a more central path. I will stick with the SS team's idea of a gentle downsweep to the catch - no dramatic EVF for me! I thought that the arm entry in line with the head, due to body roll, was quite interesting compared with the SS idea of entering the arm in line with the shoulder when the body is temporarily in a prone position. As Paul says on his "Catch Masterclass" DVD, as long as the arms are in continuous motion (even if some phases are slower than others!), not much can go wrong - we hope!!! (It was re-assuring to see Mark using the SS team's recommend of spearing the fingers into the water at arm entry, instead of the bad thumb-first entry.) Bye / Don
The Pool Inspections
We thought it would be best to start at the Wasdale Head end of the lake and go with the flow of the river through the lake as it were but when we did a recce and then on the day the wind seemed to blow in the opposite direction so we set off from where the river flows out of the lake. It took us 1hr 45mins.
We swam up on the side of the screes and headed for a pebble beach area which left us with a short walk through a field to get to the car park. The bottom disappears gradually when you set off and you don't see it again until the other end when it appears quite suddenly, apparently its a 200ft drop!
It was still pretty cold when we did it and I wish I wore some socks as it took ages to warm my feet up afterwards.
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